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Faith
Nov 5, 2002 14:16:44 GMT -5
Post by phoenix on Nov 5, 2002 14:16:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know or been through what you feel and what your religon is to diffrent things. As long as I can remenber I have felt diffrent not see boy as any more than friend apart from a few. But I also go to catolic church every week, but how can theose two things that are so diffrent go together? This is very important to me, I need to be me, but just does not fit. HELP please!!!!!! Love Pheonix thanks for help
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Faith
Nov 6, 2002 12:35:21 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 6, 2002 12:35:21 GMT -5
Hiya Liz ... this is a really important subject to some of us, and im glad you brought it up.
I presonally have my own faith, i dont really belong to a religon so to speak but i believe there is a higher spirit and i also believe in angels.
I know there are quite a few web site avaliable to people who are bi/gay and christian ... i will do some digging for you petal.
BUT!! This is my personal view on things:
If there is a god, and we are loved by her, forgiven for our sins and looked after by her .. then we will be loved what ever. When we are born we we choose the life path we with to take. In each life we learn a lesson .. it could be love, or happyness, or pain .. it could be anything .. but on the higher plane we become brighter beings for it. If people who murder can repent and be accepted in to heven .. how on earth can our forgiving god look badly apoin same sex love?? I dont think she does!! Love is love ... doesnt matter who you love, male or female ... Love is always beautiful and amazing and no god or higher spirit would ever look down on that no matter what the bible says.
Each and every being on this planet is amazing ... they have a right to be happy .. and as long as your not hurting other people ... it shouldnt matter how you reach this happyness.
Your a stunning young lady Liz, you have a bright and fun packed life infrount of you, your full of life and inthuciasum and you deserve to be happy. If being with a woman makes you happy then go for it!!
Keep us posted on how your doing hun, there are so many people here who in exactly the same place as you ... im sure if you wanted to talk to any of them they would be more than happy to help you! But talk to Fran .. she knows what she is on about and knows you better than any one here.
I really hope this has helped a little bit, it makes me cross to think people DONT let them selfs be happy dew to religon .. thats not what the spirit wants!! Im looking for sites for you now angel,
Love always, to every one, Jo xx
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Faith
Nov 6, 2002 12:50:27 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 6, 2002 12:50:27 GMT -5
I just found this petal This is the biggest lie out there. So many gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered have been told by the mainstream church that God doesn't love them unless they change. Nothing could be further from the truth.
First off, Jesus says "whosoever believeth in me." There are no conditions on God's love. God does not say "change a few things, then come to me." No, God loves us as we are. We are to come to God just as we are. If there are issues of sin in our lives, God will deal with them, but we are accepted by God without condition.
Also, Paul assures us in Romans 8: 38-39: "Neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
What liberating words! NOTHING separates us from God. Not homosexuality, not disbelief in certain creeds, Bible passages, litanies or opinions of other believers. Not sin, not death, not anything. My fundamentalist friends, do you realize the freeing beauty of those words??? Nothing!! NOTHING! Will you take those words to heart? Will you believe the Holy Word Of God when it says NOTHING separates you from God??? Or will you continue to thump your Bible and point out all those who *you* believe have been separated from God?
The choice is yours.
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Faith
Nov 6, 2002 17:05:57 GMT -5
Post by Taz on Nov 6, 2002 17:05:57 GMT -5
I'm with Jo and Fran on this one! I don't have a religion to speak of but I believe in a greater power and angels! I also know qiute a bit about different religions and have heard all sorts of things on this subjuct from serveral prechers! Well with my knowledge to back me up my argument was that God loves everyone!! Whichever Religion you choose to join it comes back to the fact that It dosn'y say everyone but gay,bi,tg ect!!!!! You believe in what you do and that is your choice and so is your sexuality! Love and luck Taz
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Faith
Nov 6, 2002 17:29:50 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 6, 2002 17:29:50 GMT -5
He again!!
Here are a few web sites i have come accross .. i havent had a chance to read though them so if they are crap im sorry. Let me know what you think?
www.whosoever.org/index.html
www.lgcm.org.uk/html/mnframe.htm
Well i cant find any more cos my PC is all but i will try again tomorrow!!
Love always, Jo xx
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Faith
Nov 13, 2002 12:10:22 GMT -5
Post by Funky-Fran on Nov 13, 2002 12:10:22 GMT -5
I totally agree that god loves you whoever you are + what ever you do. so i think you should go for what ever you feel is right + god will continue to look down on you and protect you in everything you do
love ya xx
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Faith
Nov 13, 2002 14:20:24 GMT -5
Post by OnlyMe on Nov 13, 2002 14:20:24 GMT -5
i feel the same, if there is a god he will be all loving and forgiving. the bible teaches not 2 judge ppl therefore he will not judge u! plus he will understand that love cannot b controlled!
vic thinks the bible says it is wrong so i hope this post helps u c its not wrong baby!
love always xxxxxxxxxx
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Faith
Nov 15, 2002 12:38:35 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 15, 2002 12:38:35 GMT -5
Gem, Vix .. i hope what you have read has helped some ... i have to agree i think the bible does talk quite a lot of ... humm .. poo! lol .. i think its a bunch of storys that some men told there children, that over the years have growen with importance. To be honest i think you should take the whole thing with a pinch of salt!
If any one has any question .. ask away! Love to you all, Jo xx
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Faith
Nov 20, 2002 12:23:43 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 20, 2002 12:23:43 GMT -5
I asked a few people to comment on what they thought about gay people sinning ... they are all christians and here are there thoughts.
I don't think that being gay is a sin Jo. This is just my personal opinion of course. I don't think that being gay is a choice either. It's a bit like saying I don't like people with brown eyes. Those are the eyes they were born with just like being gay is the sexuality people were born with. I used to live next door to two gay women and they were the nicest neighbours I've ever had. They were polite, hardworking and friendly individuals and the God that I pray to would certainly not see them as sinners I'm sure. Some religions have very hard and fast rules about what you can and can't be. A lot of it I believe is to do with control and quite hypocritical. It's 2002 now and about time some religions woke up and smelled the coffee. To be a decent person (and I know you definetly fall into this category) you need to be open-minded and realise that we all have different needs. Its a shame these people have allowed man-made rules make them feel guilt and shame. I feel the most important things God requires of us is for us to be true to ourselves and love thy neighbout.
Take care,
Maria
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Faith
Nov 20, 2002 12:23:59 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 20, 2002 12:23:59 GMT -5
Hi Jo,
Tip-toeing into this one as religion is such a sensitive subject for many people.
From a sociologic perspective, it amazes me that with all the evolution of mankind's intellect society hasn't learned that human rights are for all. To me that includes freedom to observe and partake in religion of choice no matter what one's sexual orientation is.
It seems sad that we, the global society, hasn't been able to celebrate and embrace our differences. To my way of thinking, it seems incredibly unjust and wrong that a religion, any religion, would close their doors or mortally judge anyone because of sexual orientation. But sadly that does happen.
To go one step further, the various religions of the world that teach of a just and caring god should embrace that if that god is just and caring that god would be embracing all for their goodness, not rejecting them due to sexual orientation, religious orientation...
It sounds like your friend has some tough choices ahead -- maybe (if possible) finding a religious group/organization that will allow him/her to harmonize his/her religious beliefs with beliefs and orientation of being gay.
I hope with all my heart that eventually we won't have a world in which two such fundamental aspects of one's being shouldn't have to clash.
Please excuse that hard to read statement -- I'm really trashed today.
John
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Faith
Nov 20, 2002 12:24:23 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 20, 2002 12:24:23 GMT -5
Hi Jo,
I ask that you read all of this reply before taking offense to anything I say as it is certainly not meant that way. And please disregard any terminology that I use that comes across as offensive...I probably just don't know that it's not politically correct (not really up with all that yet....lol), but I'd hate to offend you 'cause I really don't want to do that.
Firstly, I believe in a very loving, caring, forgiving God who loves everyone no matter what.
Secondly, from my reading of the Bible and religious knowledge, I believe that God sees the act of homosexuality as sin, not being gay (if you get what I mean). I know this may seem like I'm splitting hairs but let me explain.
I'm not really sure why God sees the act of homosexuality as a sin maybe that's something you can ask Him yourself (it's probably that that's not the way he created it to be or something but I really don't want to put words into His mouth, take it up with Him...you can pray and ask without being religious you know).
I also want to point out that we are all commanded in the Bible not to judge peeps so if anyone that is a christian judges your friends for being gay that is TOTALLY wrong and unbiblical and they are sinning by doing it!
I can't say that I condone the act of homosexuality because I do believe it is a sin but I would NEVER treat a gay person any different to that of a straight person.
Seriously, everyone sins and God sees all sins as equal (although that's really hard for us to understand sometimes). He sees that anything that is not perfect (ie. sin) has missed the mark so to speak, it doesn't matter how far it has missed the mark really but matters more that it did miss it.
Therefore, the way I look at it is that a sin is a sin, so someone who lies is the same as someone who acts out their homosexuality in a sexual way. None of us is perfect...we all sin. Therefore I can't say anything to someone else who is sinning (except to maybe point out that I think they are sinning but doing this in love not judgement) 'cause chances are I'm worse than them!
So although I see the act of homosexuality as a sin, it is one sin adn the same as any lie that's told or anything else that is considered sin.
Thankfully, we all have a God that loves us immensely no matter what we do or who we are. God loves us sooo much that He sent Jesus to die for our sins and therefore we can receive full forgiveness for every sin we commit no matter what that sin is.
So, I guess what I'm saying, in short, is..... that yes, I believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin but I think that judging others is also a sin. I believe that all sins are equal and as I sin pretty much everyday I am no better than anyone else, I have just accepted forgiveness from God for my sins. I'm just glad that we have such a loving, caring and forgiving God!
Btw, I also believe that just 'cause we are forgiven for our sins that that is no reason to keep sinning but more a reason to try not to. If you want me to go further into that one you'll have to ask 'cause I've already written more than you'll probably be able to read...lol.
Please feel free to email me about any this, especially if something I've said doesn't make sense ...which is very likely....lol.
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Faith
Nov 20, 2002 12:24:49 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Nov 20, 2002 12:24:49 GMT -5
Hi Jo, no I don't mind your posting what I wrote.
As Fraggle so well pointed out we are all mortals, each with mortal differences, differences of views and our own kinds of sins, though we might call them by different phrases.
I tend to not live by a code of sins but a to my depths moral value code that comes from many social and religious teachings. But I guess what I'm trying to get to is (again as Fraggle points out) we learn to appreciate all people and not cast judgment upon them -- on each other.
I know that some views must be very difficult for a gay individual to hear because there is so much social, legal, economic... discrimination against those who are gay.
The fact that such discriminations takes place deeply saddens me because I believe in universal human rights for all and that should never be conditional.
I might be wrong and don't want to put words in Fraggle's mouth, but this is how I see our all living to gether and appreciating each other without casting judgment. I hope the world can truly get to that place someday.
Sending hugs to all, John
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Faith
Dec 24, 2002 15:30:02 GMT -5
Post by Snowy on Dec 24, 2002 15:30:02 GMT -5
Hiya all. It's meeeeee! Merry Christmas everyone!
Really good subject this one! Well, Brian and I are Christians and we go to our local Baptist church, which is part of New Frontiers International.
We were brought up in church of England, and although there was some lovely people there whilst I was growing up, both myself and Brian had pious creatures that seemed to have their hobby of judging others! Brian also had some very nasty experiences with Christians in his past too.
Even when we got together, some people judged us. There's quite a big age gap between us, so you can imagine what some people said!
So, we thought, sod this, if this is what knowing Christ is about, then we don't want to know. But about seven years ago, just prior to my illness, we were brought back to Jesus through some lovely friends who were wonderful and helped us to see Jesus as he really is; a loving, caring, understanding, graceful God, that accepts and loves us all, no matter what.
We then started attending our local Baptist church and have met some wonderful friends who are so lovely. We then realized that it's Jesus who we look up to and follow and not his followers, who like all of us are just human beings that fall way short.
I hate people judging. We've had it so much ourselves and it's the worst thing ever, cos they always get it wrong. Jesus was so against people judging each other, and said, "Cast not the first stone" and "Take the plank out of your own eye, before taking the dust out of someone else's!"
The only one who has a right to judge is Christ!
He accepts us all and loves us all. And then he will show us individually and in a personal way what he would like us to change in our lives. It's not for others to tell us, it's for Christ, because only he knows what's in our heart, mind and soul. Not other people! They have no right!!!!
And only then Christ gently and lovingly shows us how to manoevre our feelings, thoughts, actions when he feels we're ready and not before and he doesn't pressure us.
For instance, I had a hell of a time growing up and was really badly bullied at school. For years I couldn't even bear to hear the name of my old school mentioned and if we met anyone who happened to have gone to the same old school as me, I would not want to know them. But gradually, and really gradually (and still gradually!), he's helped me to realize that it's not the actual name of the school that is at fault. That is just a building. And it's not the fault of others who just happened to go to the same school as me. Now, the one's that bullied, well I'm still working on that one with him, but I'm slowly getting there! lol.
Also, it's true and I've noticed that as I gradually start to forgive these people, it's a release and a weight lifted off me and I feel better. Don't quite know how it works but maybe it's cos the bitterness slowly disappears. And then it comes back and then I have to try and forgive again etc! lol.
Well, that's one part of me that he's helping to change. Many many more too!
Regarding being lesbian, gay or whatever... we have some lovely Christian friends who are lesbians. Okay, fair do's, yup tis in Bible in Romans the "act" is wrong..... BUT....... I personally think that if you have a wonderful, loving partner that is the same sex as you and you are both really happy together, and are in love, then it's no one elses business quite frankly, and if a church condemns you and says with a pious voice "Wrong!" Then tell them to get knotted cos I bet that they have a few skeletons in their cupboard. I would love to dig them out and say; "Oooooops..... WRONG!" lol
Christ will not condemn us on this earth. He will love us and will just be so elated that we want to know him that the last thing on his mind will be what it says in Romans! lol. His only desire for us is to love us, and to mould us into his image, which is, in one word, love!
Merry Christmas! Love, Becky xxxxx [/size][/b]
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Faith
Jan 4, 2003 8:13:56 GMT -5
Post by PurplySparkleyJoey on Jan 4, 2003 8:13:56 GMT -5
Becks, i have to agree with everything you said .. the bible tells you not to judge people & we should .. weather they are gay, disabled, black, have no teeth, alcoholic .... it doesnt matter .. they will be judged when its there turn .. its not our job. I believe that you will be taken in by god with open arms no matter of your sexuality Lovce always xx
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Faith
Jan 4, 2003 17:10:11 GMT -5
Post by Snowy on Jan 4, 2003 17:10:11 GMT -5
Hiya Joey, Yes absolutely, he welcomes us all. Doesn't matter what you look like, what you've done, what your sexuality is, whether you've got money blah blah.
*Well not sure about the No teeth bit!* lol lol lol lol lol lol (That made me laugh Joey!)
Love, Becky xxxxxx [/size][/b]
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